Benjamin Heim Shepard and Eric Laursen talk about Orwell and his friends, the fights he had, the fights we have and the ways to learn from them. 

Eric Laursen is the author of The Duty to Stand Aside: Nineteen Eighty-Four and the Wartime Quarrel of George Orwell and Alex Comfort and 

Benjamin Shepard is author of  On Activism, Friendships, and Fighting: Oral Histories, Strategies, and Conflicts